tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1318702029180659203.post4203540161049061179..comments2023-04-27T04:07:06.136-07:00Comments on All That To Say...: Gospel and Cultures, 2Mark Lovehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02540050430568723424noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1318702029180659203.post-10232503736420090102009-04-22T13:27:00.000-07:002009-04-22T13:27:00.000-07:00Nate
I think that's another good question. I'll g...Nate<br /><br />I think that's another good question. I'll get at that I think through this notion of eventfulness. This does place a lot of emphasis on the witness on one way, but I'm hoping it places more of it on God. We'll see.<br /><br />mlMark Lovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02540050430568723424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1318702029180659203.post-6261118012094487572009-04-22T12:14:00.000-07:002009-04-22T12:14:00.000-07:00Ok that makes a lot more sense for me. So, in a lo...Ok that makes a lot more sense for me. So, in a lot of ways, this also plays into Paul's notion of imitation. Ethics and imitatio are part of the bigger picture of what makes the news "good." Epistemic "knowledge" aside, gospel is reliable because it proved reliable through the ethics of the witnesses. That places a great deal of emphasis on the witnesses doesn't it! Does this mean that part of the job of the witness is to help re-define or re-orient the definitions attached to such words like news? <br />~NNatenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1318702029180659203.post-64733840212713598152009-04-22T09:58:00.000-07:002009-04-22T09:58:00.000-07:00Nate
You raise an important point. And I see the ...Nate<br /><br />You raise an important point. And I see the bias thing as cutting two ways. There is no human communication apart from perspective or framework, much of which we don't even acknowledge. It's a given that cannot be overcome completely. The Christian witness is from a perspective. This realization constrains our speech in certain ways, ways that ultimately I think, allow us to communicate more.<br /><br />As an aside, that doesn't make things relative, it makes them specific. And specific things can be sharpened and clarified in relation to other specific things, even if there's no way ultimately to judge between them. And we aquire much more knowledge about our world this way than we do through abstract reasoning, or reasoning beforehand, or through empirical observation. To use the classic Greek terms, this is truth less situated in theoria (theory), and more situated in phronesis (practical reasoning or wisdom). <br /><br />Back to your point. In my post I acknowledge that news trades on the reliability of the source, and part of that is dependent not just on haw factual the report is, but how it is communicated--the speech ethics, the ethos or mode of communication. And I am struck by how often, for instance, Paul makes appeals to his speech ethics. This isn't just news, it's good news. And part of that goodness is how it treats others. That's part of the reliability test, and also a part of its "effectiveness" (a decidedly difficult concept).<br /><br />So, you are making sense and pointing to real problems. But these problems are not unique to news as a category. The really interesting question I think that you raise is how might Christian notions of news distinguish themselves in a world saturated with the new.Mark Lovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02540050430568723424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1318702029180659203.post-45608019706634402592009-04-22T09:08:00.000-07:002009-04-22T09:08:00.000-07:00Mark,
Ok but my experience with news is that it al...Mark,<br />Ok but my experience with news is that it always has a spin on it. Granted, my bias is that that when I hear "news" I think "politically motivated, world-view biased, MSNBC/FoxNews." I think this is not an uncommon feeling especially amongst my age group. News always has a catch to it. News can be unreliable and, at its worst, subversive propaganda meant solely to win support. <br />Now I understand that this is an extremely prejudiced view of "news" and maybe I am confusing it with "media?" But there is a sense in which "news" no matter what type, has the ability to be shaped (read: spun) and even warped for the purposes of the "witness." <br />Am I making sense? What are the pitfalls, especially in this media/news ravaged culture for Christian "news" that lie between gospel and its effectiveness?<br />~NNatenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1318702029180659203.post-48660597622508520082009-04-21T15:10:00.000-07:002009-04-21T15:10:00.000-07:00Thanks Brad and qb. I'm certainly going to argue t...Thanks Brad and qb. I'm certainly going to argue that a narrative mode is implicit in the category of gospel. How else would it remain news? So, if you have a moving notion of culture (Tanner and others) and a moving notion of gospel, then how do you think of theology?<br /><br />mlMark Lovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02540050430568723424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1318702029180659203.post-61096158127681514712009-04-21T14:55:00.000-07:002009-04-21T14:55:00.000-07:00+1 to Brad's comment.
I suppose this is roughly w...+1 to Brad's comment.<br /><br />I suppose this is roughly what Wright has in mind when he speaks of the "narrative" mode of Scriptural authority rather than the other possible modes...is that your take on it? That is to say, the notion of "authority" is fluid and open-ended rather than highly constrained and exclusive.<br /><br />qbqbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13857534450989633987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1318702029180659203.post-41607889566461407782009-04-21T13:50:00.000-07:002009-04-21T13:50:00.000-07:00If only to state the obvious, this is potent stuff...If only to state the obvious, this is potent stuff. You are naming for me in a way otherwise unarticulated what might be a legitimate definition for "missional." And if not a definition, at least a fleshing out and deepening.<br /><br />I look forward to more!Brad Easthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09342341127122254107noreply@blogger.com