tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1318702029180659203.post7601320606834868866..comments2023-04-27T04:07:06.136-07:00Comments on All That To Say...: Preaching Imagination, Acts 2Mark Lovehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02540050430568723424noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1318702029180659203.post-42733198722251211432010-03-21T17:07:27.085-07:002010-03-21T17:07:27.085-07:00Mark,
"Oh Crap" seems to be right in lin...Mark,<br />"Oh Crap" seems to be right in line with what we've been learning with PMC. And when it comes to being a part of a congregation it has often seemed more like Haiti than Chile; a leveling of the older order so a new one can rise. It's been an Acts 2 journey for some of us. When it hits you what God has done and is doing and might continue to do you find yourself asking "what shall we do?" and it's not a comfortable feeling when you see that the world as you have known it must die in order to be a part of the new world God is creating. Scared *#(!^@#! kind of stuff. Looking forward to hearing you at Pepperdine.JNWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06244974413438939367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1318702029180659203.post-24552849861457333932010-03-21T16:49:21.831-07:002010-03-21T16:49:21.831-07:00Mark -
Completely agree that it's stronger. ...Mark - <br /><br />Completely agree that it's stronger. I took the liberty of making it PG, but in more intimate company might have let the R rated version slip out. <br /><br />To me, today, this whole line of thought has been a reminder that I need to have more "oh ****" moments where the wind, or earthquake of God renders my life empty, broken, and ready for rebuilding.<br /><br />If the message of Jesus is real and relevant to me, "what am I gonna do?" needs to be a question that hits me a lot more often than it does now. It isn't just the question of this text, or of Scripture, but the question of my life. What am I gonna do, and probably more importantly, what is He gonna do to me?Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18150849437147331021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1318702029180659203.post-53353177624754776332010-03-21T14:21:03.399-07:002010-03-21T14:21:03.399-07:00Jeff, the verse 37 moment is the moment in the tex...Jeff, the verse 37 moment is the moment in the text. And I think it's a little stronger than oh, crap. This Jesus...attested by God...you handed over to be crucified at the hands of those outside the law. Crap, indeed.Mark Lovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02540050430568723424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1318702029180659203.post-8281295918844608012010-03-21T12:03:41.313-07:002010-03-21T12:03:41.313-07:00Mark -
As I was reading your post, I was reminde...Mark - <br /><br />As I was reading your post, I was reminded of the recent violence and destruction in Haiti and Chile and the contrast between them. <br /><br />I like your assessment when you say that our current world must be leveled before a new world of the Spirit can be rebuilt - true on so many levels, whether as individuals, communities of faith, or societies at large. One of our problems, perhaps, is that the disruption of God in our lives tends to look a lot more like the earthquake in Chile (damage, but most structures standing and intact) than it does like Haiti (everything completely leveled and in disrepair, from the President to the beggar on the street. It reminds me, in ways, of Kuhn, in that paradigms don't really evolve, so much as they are replaced through complete revolution and replacement - Copernicus didn't improve on Ptolemy, he replaced him completely. <br /><br />In my own life, I think it's fair to say I attempt an integrative approach with God - that is to say I take the things I'm doing and try to bring in God where it seems convenient. This seems very different to me than the verse 37 response, which I've recently begun to interpret as an "oh crap" moment, where the Jews Peter is speaking to suddenly are convinced that the world they'd grown up with has just come apart. I often don't allow the violence of God's word shake me hard enough to get everything to topple down - rather if there's any destruction at all, it's patched up rather quickly and I'm back to producing the best wine in South America within a year or so - business as usual.<br /><br />This "What shall we do?" question isn't just about this moment of being cut to the heart, then, but is really the central question of the Gospel, and the Gospels - "What then shall you do with this man they call the King of the Jews?" As I've reflected on them over the past few months, it is the single question that seems to sum up what each of the Gospel writers is getting at. They're not just giving stories and information about Jesus, but narratives designed to put us in the place where we have to respond, to take sides, to declare that we stand with the crowd calling "Crucify!", or with Peter saying, "You are the son of God." Even when we try to be like Pilate and wash our hands of the whole thing, Jesus places the decision back on us - is that your own idea, or what others have said about me?<br /><br />And so, as I read the text this morning while not listening to the preacher, my mind returned again and again to the idea of response - as you've asked before, "What's this thing going to look like?" When you're completely destroyed, you have a lot of choices about how things are going to look compared to the case where you just try to stuff the new in with the old. There's something very liberating - relieving, even, about that. But it still comes at great cost... "This is a hard teaching... who can accept it?"Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18150849437147331021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1318702029180659203.post-88710557679485991322010-03-20T05:58:25.110-07:002010-03-20T05:58:25.110-07:00Thanks, WarrenThanks, WarrenMark Lovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02540050430568723424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1318702029180659203.post-9468522620776759972010-03-19T13:37:24.609-07:002010-03-19T13:37:24.609-07:00I haven't thought of the catastrophic events i...I haven't thought of the catastrophic events in Joel that this text connects to. The "mighty wind" is a powerful thought here, too. We often preach this text, as ironically I am this Sunday, to nice 11 year old kids who we judge to have reached the age of accountability and are ready for a good baptism sermon like this now.<br /><br />But there is so much more behind this text. The violence, the change, baptism.<br /><br />Interesting that Jesus told the disciples to repent after Pilate's action and the tower fell. Were the disciples responsible for those things? What did they have to repent of or for? Systemtic evil?<br /><br />Maybe we still have many Joel-like features even today. I'm reading some books now on the communist revolution through Stalin. Estimates reach as high as 80 million killed by the communist machine. Then 50 million in WW2. On a smaller scale - probably a million in Iraq over the last two wars. We are seeing our own catastrophic times and perphaps we can repent of "our complicity in the old arrangement of things" that should have been abandoned long ago.<br /><br />Make sense? Over 2,000,000 German women were raped at the end of WW2 as retaliation to Hitler. Who says, "I'm sorry; I repent?" Alexander Solzhenitsyn did, but I don't know too many other Christians who have. Whose responsibility is it to repent for that? Who was told to repent after the tower fell?<br /><br />Anyway, your article sparked some thinking on my part. Good post.Warren Baldwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17956713921509659993noreply@blogger.com